Question About "Key Lockdown/RF Lockout" for DSRT 392

[RetiredFirefighter]

Thanks for the comments guys.

When I was looking for a DSRT last year, I called several dealers about getting it done. One said they knew about it and could do it, another said they guessed they could do it, the last two weren't aware of it. I've since lost that list, so I'm now going through the calling/search process again.

I knew about TSB 08-087-23, but your directing me to TSB 08-090-23 had me take a second look. I now see Dodge has one for each model year, the 087 being for 2023's and the 090 for 2019's. So I went to a TSB search website (https://www.tsbsearch.com/) and just interchanged the middle numbers until I found the one for my 2022.

Bingo! It's TSB 08-088-23, thanks again for the help.

 

[DGatzby]

It takes 10-15 minutes by a “real” tech.

 

[RetiredFirefighter]

Question:

Do people who have the Stellantis "Key Lock Down/RF Hub Lockout" done still need to keep their key fobs in a Faraday Bag?

Is the "relay attack" (described below) addressed by this procedure, or is the "RF Hub Lockout" meant for something else?

 

[Unholy707]

So do thieves not care about R/Ts?

 

[DGatzby]

Question:

Do people who have the Stellantis "Key Lock Down/RF Hub Lockout" done still need to keep their key fobs in a Faraday Bag?

Is the "relay attack" (described below) addressed by this procedure, or is the "RF Hub Lockout" meant for something else?

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No. Don’t give a rip and that is a PIA. Got that and one other fundamental “lock-out” in the Challenger and a concealed VIN. Enough for me. There is insurance.

For that example above my car is behind a very secure door, camera with motion detection (my home is surrounded with them) and a robust alarm system that is also monitored besides an instant alert on my phone for the cameras and any penetration of our home. A squirrel goes past that particular camera watching that door and I am alerted!

 

[RetiredFirefighter]

... Got that and one other fundamental “lock-out” in the Challenger and a concealed VIN. Enough for me. There is insurance.

I know have multiple levels of security in place.

 

[DGatzby]

I know have multiple levels of security in place.

Have to, the world is melting to shit.

 

[Braaaaap]

Is there one of these out for the 21’s? I can find every year minus 21

 

[GNBRETT]

Just get the IGLA with Drone GPS so u know where ur shit is if they tow it. Peace of mind has a high price value!

 

[GNBRETT]

No bro, they can still steal the signal from ur original key fob they just cant make a new FOB via VIN#. This is why I always tell ppl to get the IGLA with Drone GPS. I also recommend a kill switch to the On/Off switch cause its simple and takes 10 minutes and is really easy to hide. Honestly, the RF hub probably wont do shit thats the least likely way they are stealing ur car.

U cant prevent a tow truck with a dolly coming up and taking our shit in less then 15 seconds either! Yea bro 15 seconds! That is why u need Drone or some other GPS. Personally I have a kill switch, IGLA, Drone GPS with front and rear Cameras that record if any movement that goes directly to my phone AND last but not least is LoJack which is nation wide now.

LoJack is a one time fee and can only be activated thru NCIC which is the computer system LE uses throughout the country. There are no monthly fees like with GPS. But keep in mind if and when u activate LoJack ur car will be a stolen recovery for life which is why I always encouarge ppl to utilize their GPS tracking BEFORE activating LoJack so maybe u can find ur shit before reporting it stolen!

I worked in Auto theft for 10 years LoJack is the very best thing u can have to actually find ur car cause its RADIO based NOT Satellite based so there is no hiding in garages or apartment complexes or shipping containers.

Question:

Do people who have the Stellantis "Key Lock Down/RF Hub Lockout" done still need to keep their key fobs in a Faraday Bag?

Is the "relay attack" (described below) addressed by this procedure, or is the "RF Hub Lockout" meant for something else?

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[Braaaaap]

Just get the IGLA with Drone GPS so u know where ur shit is if they tow it. Peace of mind has a high price value!

I have a trx so well versed in the security aspect of these.
The IGLA sales crew is in full force over there…

If I can get the rf hub done that is another thing for someone to do.

 

[GNBRETT]

Every little thing helps for sure..... LoJack is the very best thing one can have tho if they really want to find their shit if stolen. It has a 15 yr battery life now as well and its tiny so can be hidden anywhere. Mine is under a fender that I removed.

I have a trx so well versed in the security aspect of these.
The IGLA sales crew is in full force over there…

If I can get the rf hub done that is another thing for someone to do.

 

[RetiredFirefighter]

Thanks for the input guys.

For right now, I'll go with the key hub lockout, Faraday Key FOB bag, and two other security features.

But I've got an update on the Faraday Key FOB bag, will post in a minute in "General Automotive Discussions" ....

 

[Goose75]

No bro, they can still steal the signal from ur original key fob they just cant make a new FOB via VIN#. This is why I always tell ppl to get the IGLA with Drone GPS. I also recommend a kill switch to the On/Off switch cause its simple and takes 10 minutes and is really easy to hide. Honestly, the RF hub probably wont do shit thats the least likely way they are stealing ur car.

U cant prevent a tow truck with a dolly coming up and taking our shit in less then 15 seconds either! Yea bro 15 seconds! That is why u need Drone or some other GPS. Personally I have a kill switch, IGLA, Drone GPS with front and rear Cameras that record if any movement that goes directly to my phone AND last but not least is LoJack which is nation wide now.

LoJack is a one time fee and can only be activated thru NCIC which is the computer system LE uses throughout the country. There are no monthly fees like with GPS. But keep in mind if and when u activate LoJack ur car will be a stolen recovery for life which is why I always encouarge ppl to utilize their GPS tracking BEFORE activating LoJack so maybe u can find ur shit before reporting it stolen!

I worked in Auto theft for 10 years LoJack is the very best thing u can have to actually find ur car cause its RADIO based NOT Satellite based so there is no hiding in garages or apartment complexes or shipping containers.

How do you put in a kill switch without killing dash power. Forgot to disconnect the battery.

 

[Hamsquatch]

It takes 10-15 minutes by a “real” tech.

Same experience here - they did it during the last oil change on our 23. I took in both of our fobs for the procedure, but not sure if that was necessary.

 

[DGatzby]

Same experience here - they did it during the last oil change on our 23. I took in both of our fobs for the procedure, but not sure if that was necessary.

They used all of my fobs for both of my vehicles.

 

[Unholy707]

What’s a hamsquatch?

 

[Finface]

"Honestly, the RF hub probably wont do shit thats the least likely way they are stealing ur car."

I disagree, although there sure are other ways to steal a car as you point out. The tow truck method would look legit to bystanders. Backing into parking spaces would help there.

If you don't have the RF hub lockout that prevents new key fobs from being "made" a thief breaks the window, gets in, plugs into the diagnostic plug under the left dash and is able to "create" a new key within seconds. He or she (equal opportunity thievery) pushes the start button and the car operates just like the thief had your OEM key fob.

I had the RF lockout done. I haven't lost any of my three key fobs. If you did need to make new key fobs it would cost about $1,000 - $1,200. For the labor to replace the part that reads the key fobs, the part (something like $300), and however many new key fobs you might want.

A way to preclude a key fob reader - some turd in a parking lot near where you part - or trailing you into the mall with a laptop is to do what I do. After I start my car at home I put the key fob into the Faraday pouch. The car won't care, but may let you know the fob is "gone". You drive where you want and when you get out you lock the doors with the manual lock switch. Only when you return to your car and pull out the fob are you vulnerable. Or, you could unlock the door with the pull out fob key, then press it against the start button. I dunno if that transmits a signal that could be stolen. At any rate, look for people following you home - and use your Apple phone's capability when you get into the car to sense if a strange "tag" has been placed on your car.

It is unacceptable that car thieves don't get put in jail for, oh, about 30 years, for first offense. No probation.