Stellantis strike

[Illegal_Demon]

Only if you allow it to happen.

The (TRILLION dollar++) EV train has left the station. Unfortunately, you and I (or anyone else for that matter) can't stop it anytime soon. Reversing that level of (spent) investment will take at least a decade and that's only if sentiment does a 180 soon. Outside of conservative circles, sentiment hasn't changed enough for that kind of big-bux flip-flop.

Oh, and don't shoot the messenger!

 

[1971demon]

The (TRILLION dollar++) EV train has left the station. Unfortunately, you and I (or anyone else for that matter) can't stop it anytime soon. Reversing that level of (spent) investment will take at least a decade and that's only if sentiment does a 180 soon. Outside of conservative circles, sentiment hasn't changed enough for that kind of big-bux flip-flop.

Oh, and don't shoot the messenger!

Hmmm...can we hold yer head underwater for an hr.

 

[Speedy!]

I think people who wanted EVs bought them. Some dipped their toes and weren't impressed. We're already seeing oems changing plans. They better not ask for another bailout when this flops, which I'm sure of.

Neighbor is in future vehicle development for big local car company (you can guess which one). He was all about EVs two years ago, now not so much, says they've determined there aren't enough minerals on the planet to make the batteries needed. They're looking at hydrogen now.

 

[RAMBLE1]

The (TRILLION dollar++) EV train has left the station. Unfortunately, you and I (or anyone else for that matter) can't stop it anytime soon. Reversing that level of (spent) investment will take at least a decade and that's only if sentiment does a 180 soon. Outside of conservative circles, sentiment hasn't changed enough for that kind of big-bux flip-flop.

Oh, and don't shoot the messenger!

Not so fast, Ford is preparing to build what is selling. They went with EV, but is not phasing out ICE. Example, they are keeping the Mustang and the engine of choice is the V8. Since the Challenger and Camaro are history, Ford may have hit gold! Hopefully, next year we elect president/congress that will roll back all the crazy green garbage and get this country back on track to prosperity.

 

[1971demon]

I think people who wanted EVs bought them. Some dipped their toes and weren't impressed. We're already seeing oems changing plans. They better not ask for another bailout when this flops, which I'm sure of.

Neighbor is in future vehicle development for big local car company (you can guess which one). He was all about EVs two years ago, now not so much, says they've determined there aren't enough minerals on the planet to make the batteries needed. They're looking at hydrogen now.

Leave it to Government to stick their nose into private industry...and try and fix something that just aint broke...

 

[DavidKFla]

The (TRILLION dollar++) EV train has left the station. Unfortunately, you and I (or anyone else for that matter) can't stop it anytime soon. Reversing that level of (spent) investment will take at least a decade and that's only if sentiment does a 180 soon. Outside of conservative circles, sentiment hasn't changed enough for that kind of big-bux flip-flop.

Oh, and don't shoot the messenger!

You're not paying attention. All of the automakers are pulling back on production of EV's and construction of new facilities all over the world.

 

[DavidKFla]

The OEM's will produce what they are allowed to produce.

Money talks. It's already happening.

 

[1971demon]

You're not paying attention. All of the automakers are pulling back on production of EV's and construction of new facilities all over the world.

Uhhh...don't argue with him...(just let me hold his head underwater)

 

[Weather Man]

You're not paying attention. All of the automakers are pulling back on production of EV's and construction of new facilities all over the world.

The EPA rules will keep the heat on. Remember, the Green Insanity is perfectly happy if fewer cars are sold. They are already blaming access to cars for crime in D run cities. London is the poster child for how they will force people into EV's. People there are fighting it, but the city is fining the fuck out of everyone also.

The problem is the political pain for the D's will come after it is too late. The OEM's will have killed off the ICE that people want.

 

[hell on wheels]

Now David...that's like tellin weather guy...to head off a storm...

I buy a new one 10 years before I need it. I let them sit for awhile plastic still in them.

 

[1971demon]

I buy a new one 10 years before I need it. I let them sit for awhile plastic still in them.

Well you rich guy's can do that...Us workin folk...we can only dream of such things...

 

[1971demon]

Money talks. It's already happening.

I gotta a drawer full...I aint never heard it say a word...

 

[hell on wheels]

Well you rich guy's can do that...Us workin folk...we can only dream of such things...

Toward the end of 2016 I purchased
3 pair of Red Wing
Work boots at a discount.
I was concerned about inflation.
I still have 1 pair left new in the box.

 

[Illegal_Demon]

You're not paying attention. All of the automakers are pulling back on production of EV's and construction of new facilities all over the world.

Oh I'm paying attention, and I didn't suggest zero ICE cars would be built. While some manufacturers are questioning their moves, several other OEMS are still all-in on this transition (not to mention all-EV companies like Tesla and others).

People are kidding themselves if they think (a trillion dollar+) EV investment is simply going away tomorrow (or even after 1 election in one country). It isn't. Can it eventually be reversed if the majority wants it? Sure, but that will take time (several years) if it happens at all.

For the record, I agree that the EV push was WAY premature. But again, it's too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube (regardless of how much we want to wish it back in). I am glad to see Ford at least pumping the EV brakes. Unfortunately, we are already going 100mph and any "turn around" will take a considerable amount of time and $$$.

 

[1971demon]

Toward the end of 2016 I purchased
3 pair of Red Wing
Work boots at a discount.
I was concerned about inflation.
I still have 1 pair left new in the box.

Good thing yer feet didn't get any bigger...

 

[1971demon]

Oh I'm paying attention, and I didn't suggest zero ICE cars would be built. While some manufacturers are questioning their moves, several other OEMS are still all-in on this transition (not to mention all-EV companies like Tesla and others).

People are kidding themselves if they think (a trillion dollar+) EV investment is simply going away tomorrow (or even after 1 election in one country). It isn't. Can it eventually be reversed if the majority wants it? Sure, but that will take time (several years) if it happens at all.

For the record, I agree that the EV push was WAY premature. But again, it's too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube (regardless of how much we want to wish it back in). I am glad to see Ford at least pumping the EV brakes. Unfortunately, we are already going 100mph and any "turn around" will take a considerable amount of time and $$$.

By spring...when EV's aren't selling. inventory's start backing up..and company stock values plumet..the industry 180 will make yer head spin..just watch...

 

[RAMBLE1]

Oh I'm paying attention, and I didn't suggest zero ICE cars would be built. While some manufacturers are questioning their moves, several other OEMS are still all-in on this transition (not to mention all-EV companies like Tesla and others).

People are kidding themselves if they think (a trillion dollar+) EV investment is simply going away tomorrow (or even after 1 election in one country). It isn't. Can it eventually be reversed if the majority wants it? Sure, but that will take time (several years) if it happens at all.

For the record, I agree that the EV push was WAY premature. But again, it's too late to put the toothpaste back in the tube (regardless of how much we want to wish it back in). I am glad to see Ford at least pumping the EV brakes. Unfortunately, we are already going 100mph and any "turn around" will take a considerable amount of time and $$$.

You are right to a degree, the toothpaste will not go back in the tube. There are some manufacturers, that didn't go whole hog, battery. Ford was one of the few that was going to build both battery and ICE, smart move. All auto companies will be bit by the battery fad, but some drank the kool-aid. I believe Ford will be the first to fully recover, others, will see the Ford tail lights. In the near future, the only performance sport car will be the Mustang, as Camaro and Challenger were killed. We keep our sport car a few years, Challenger is gone, in a year or two, the Mustang will be the only choice. I hope they produce a Hellcat type Mustang, "Hellstang," Ford could not produce enough. Most auto manufacturers stock will fall, but Ford stock, could be an investment.

 

[Illegal_Demon]

You are right to a degree, the toothpaste will not go back in the tube. There are some manufacturers, that didn't go whole hog, battery. Ford was one of the few that was going to build both battery and ICE, smart move. All auto companies will be bit by the battery fad, but some drank the kool-aid. I believe Ford will be the first to fully recover, others, will see the Ford tail lights. In the near future, the only performance sport car will be the Mustang, as Camaro and Challenger were killed. We keep our sport car a few years, Challenger is gone, in a year or two, the Mustang will be the only choice. I hope they produce a Hellcat type Mustang, "Hellstang," Ford could not produce enough. Most auto manufacturers stock will fall, but Ford stock, could be an investment.

I agree with your assessment. The only issue for Ford and the Mustang is in looks department. Ice or not, only option or not, that car in its current form can't hold a candle to the Challenger imo and needs to get better looking, stat.

 

[hell on wheels]

Good thing yer feet didn't get any bigger...

Good thing yer feet didn't get any bigger...

They only had two pair in my size at that time.

The other pair they sent me from another store.

I could have bought 3 different sizes

 

[Bowtie Guy]

Stellantis Canada is on strike ( Brampton Assembly )

Hopefully its a short strike