Which Engine & Blower to build, what are your thoughts?

[Speedy!]

Will be interested to hear what the engine guy says. 428...might as well ask about a 440 too 😎

I've not heard of Jake but it's been a minute since I was researching builders. Arrington was the shizzle back in the day but they've changed hands so not sure now.

 

[Dman007]

Are you going all out on the block? Best of the best... Aluminum ?
Not trying to bash the KB but I’ve heard nothing but garbage about that SC. I know they run really hot & a pain inthe ass to tune if you run the big boy dual TB.
check out Alex at Better Built Performance.
He built my 426 and Marc’s as well.
Dam this is going to be a awesome build. I will be following this for sure.

Dave and I were chatting about that exact thing....need to research more.

 

[Speedy!]

Oh and glad to see a good car thread lol

Definitely steer clear of KB. I'd be curious what the new gen Whipple looks like, but for what you're trying to do turbos would probably work great.

 

[Dman007]

Will be interested to hear what the engine guy says. 428...might as well ask about a 440 too 😎

I've not heard of Jake but it's been a minute since I was researching builders. Arrington was the shizzle back in the day but they've changed hands so not sure now.

Dang it Speedy...I said that very thing to Dave yesterday. Why not a 440!? lol @hellno

 

[Marc W]

Will be interested to hear what the engine guy says. 428...might as well ask about a 440.

. Zdung is running a “428”. I haven’t bothered to ask why mine would be a “426” vs that. It’s a 7.0 and whatever the exact displacement is I guess would depend on the crank used. Mine is a Molnar. I want to think it’s a 426 because.... you know 🙄

 

[DMNkilr]

Are you going all out on the block? Best of the best... Aluminum ?
Not trying to bash the KB but I’ve heard nothing but garbage about that SC. I know they run really hot & a pain inthe ass to tune if you run the big boy dual TB.
check out Alex at Better Built Performance.
He built my 426 and Marc’s as well.
Dam this is going to be a awesome build. I will be following this for sure.

Oh and glad to see a good car thread lol

Definitely steer clear of KB. I'd be curious what the new gen Whipple looks like, but for what you're trying to do turbos would probably work great.

Oh yeah, definitely steer clear of the KB's, nothing but garbage

 

[Jack_Toepfer]

We could use a killer TT build on here...

 

[Linda's Hell Cat]

Ok I think you should pay attention to the New Whipple coming out!

And Call Bruce at HHP.to have a 426 Hemi built with a Billet Crank and Billet Rods!

You are wanting more power so go for the Best!

Linda

 

[Dman007]

We could use a killer TT build on here...

True, but

Ok I think you should pay attention to the New Whipple coming out!

And Call Bruce at HHP.to have a 426 Hemi built with a Billet Crank and Billet Rods!

You are wanting more power so go for the Best!

Linda

Appreciate that Linda. I am looking to do something that the entire community is not doing.

But I did meet with Allpar Garage tonight and we have some options. Once everything comes together and we start ordering parts; I will let everyone know the build and timelines.
Just excited to be partnering with Jimmy and Carlos (Allpar Garage).

we plan on building a monster and winning more races next year!

 

[HellcatMatt]

Speedy,
I'm the money man and driver Not turning too many wrenches here. LOL!
As far as shops, I partner with Allpar Garage and they have over 40 years experience in MOPAR. Thus I'm in great hands.

But I am going up to Dave's shop tomorrow in Memphis and we are calling Jake with "Sampson Racing Engines" and asking about his 428 long block.

Anyone have any experience with Jake?

Late to the party. I’m running Jake Sampson’s 428ci with a 4.2L KB.

Jake is small time but he is very meticulous and builds one heck of an engine. Communication and working with him was top notch. Call, text or messaging, he was always responsive.
My engine is way over built for how I’m using it but that was the intent.

As far as the KB it’s been a great but it absolutely needs additional cooling (chiller or ice tank) to manage IAT’s. We were seeing as high as 200* on a pull to 150mph. I have a FI interchiller waiting to go in for next season.

If I were building a car now, I would be waiting to see what the new Whipple 3.8 has to offer before I pulled the trigger on anything.

Here is an article on Jake during my build if you’re interested:
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/09/eotw-428-cid-gen-iii-hemi-hellcat-engine/

 

[Taxinator]

Late to the party. I’m running Jake Sampson’s 428ci with a 4.2L KB.

Jake is small time but he is very meticulous and builds one heck of an engine. Communication and working with him was top notch. Call, text or messaging, he was always responsive.
My engine is way over built for how I’m using it but that was the intent.

As far as the KB it’s been a great but it absolutely needs additional cooling (chiller or ice tank) to manage IAT’s. We were seeing as high as 200* on a pull to 150mph. I have a FI interchiller waiting to go in for next season.

If I were building a car now, I would be waiting to see what the new Whipple 3.8 has to offer before I pulled the trigger on anything.

Here is an article on Jake during my build if you’re interested:
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/09/eotw-428-cid-gen-iii-hemi-hellcat-engine/



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Beautiful build!

 

[Dman007]

Late to the party. I’m running Jake Sampson’s 428ci with a 4.2L KB.

Jake is small time but he is very meticulous and builds one heck of an engine. Communication and working with him was top notch. Call, text or messaging, he was always responsive.
My engine is way over built for how I’m using it but that was the intent.

As far as the KB it’s been a great but it absolutely needs additional cooling (chiller or ice tank) to manage IAT’s. We were seeing as high as 200* on a pull to 150mph. I have a FI interchiller waiting to go in for next season.

If I were building a car now, I would be waiting to see what the new Whipple 3.8 has to offer before I pulled the trigger on anything.

Here is an article on Jake during my build if you’re interested:
https://www.enginebuildermag.com/2019/09/eotw-428-cid-gen-iii-hemi-hellcat-engine/



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Looks great. Jake and I are chatting for the last couple of weeks. Let's see where his pricing and delivery timeline are.

But I do agree, he focuses on details and wants to build the best engine possible.

I'm hoping to start my build in the next several weeks. Want to be ready for Texas 2K in March.

 

[DMNkilr]

That is a clean build Sir! Looks great!

 

[vortecd]

@Dman007 did I see your car in one of the mopar mags I believe from a MSHS race? Was paging through one of them at the store and I think it was your car?

 

[Linda's Hell Cat]

Looks great. Jake and I are chatting for the last couple of weeks. Let's see where his pricing and delivery timeline are.

But I do agree, he focuses on details and wants to build the best engine possible.

I'm hoping to start my build in the next several weeks. Want to be ready for Texas 2K in March.

KB Builds can be huge when racing!

Colby Because you seem to be like my husband ( Top Cat ) and like the "Bigger is Better" means faster. I am going to give you a few tips to think about as I have a Race Car that had a KB 4.2 on it.

The World's Fastest Hellcat runs a Big KB it has all the safety gear and all the heavy upgraded mods to support all the Power to the ground from the extra big torque from the KB.

1.Try to remember Leon built his Hell Cat in his "Epling's Garage" and in stages with always testing the mods on the way.

2. Your Speed shop of course will want you to build this but are they willing to support you freely at the track since you will be touting them. If you don't line things up right now you may be disappointed because you car is always in the shop.

3. Are you OK to be the R&D Guy? My Husband was with my KB build I was not and wanted to be on the track.

4.Does your shop have any experience with a KB Build of any kind on a Hemi? Who's Hellcat and what are the results from the track?

5. Are you going to add all the safety equipment an get your license? ( Maybe you all ready did?)

6. I would think about if this is your race car then you might want to consider Holley for Tuning ware.

7. Do you know all the supporting mods that need to be added? Please just don't think it's OK we will figure it out on the way.

8. Have you thought about your Trans Upgrade?

9. And BTW the KB definitely needs everything possible for cooling it down. Mine had an ice box, intercooler, meth injection and we had to ice it down on Top of that! Maybe for Hellcats there are newer ways.

10. All is possible with lots of $$$$$$ decide your limit and what you want for an ET. A Shop should be able to give you a parts list and quote a ball park price. Things become available and may help the build.


John enjoyed the R&D, T&T, being Crew Chief, watching, and racing. He was different. The above comes from how I felt.

You are a racer and want to enjoy the track.

Happy New Year!

Linda

 

[WhipCat]

Stop pussy footing around, if you wanna go real fast, do the right thing.

 

[Dman007]

@Dman007 did I see your car in one of the mopar mags I believe from a MSHS race? Was paging through one of them at the store and I think it was your car?

Yes we are in MOPAR Action Magazine. Really good write up.

 

[vortecd]

Yes we are in MOPAR Action Magazine. Really good write up.

Post a new thread with pics about it. Very cool to have your car in a magazine. I have been close a couple of times with articles on mine. I have had small pics and have been mentioned

 

[Dman007]

Post a new thread with pics about it. Very cool to have your car in a magazine. I have been close a couple of times with articles on mine. I have had small pics and have been mentioned

I can not find an online copy of this month of MOPAR Action:

 

[NetNathan]

I second 426 with KB.