High Tech EV Doesn't Solve The Charging Problem

[cole3986]

Cole...ya really need a hobby...

Maybe, but having a shit load of fun betting on what you will do and when, talking about a hobby? Really? Look at your posts. That is why we are having fun, this is all you do, you troll the forum 24/7, now we are betting on it. too much fun.

 

[Bowtie Guy]

This is some funny shit

 

[1971demon]

Maybe, but having a shit load of fun betting on what you will do and when, talking about a hobby? Really? Look at your posts. That is why we are having fun, this is all you do, you troll the forum 24/7, now we are betting on it. too much fun.

Who's this we....ya got a couple of little monkeys in yer pocket or what ...glad yer havin fun...

 

[1971demon]

Maybe, but having a shit load of fun betting on what you will do and when, talking about a hobby? Really? Look at your posts. That is why we are having fun, this is all you do, you troll the forum 24/7, now we are betting on it. too much fun.

24/7...c'mon now...even I have to sleep..

Just having fun, I may have screwed the last bet, I may have gave you too many crumbs, hmmm, shit, yes, the decision was I screwed that bet. There are more, so please keep doing what you do. I will let you know if I am in the money.

Wanna improve yer odds...I take bribes

 

[1971demon]

This is some funny shit

Sure is...now pass me a beer will ya...I need something to go with my breakfast cigar...

 

[Bowtie Guy]

Sure is...now pass me a beer will ya...I need something to go with my breakfast cigar...

Beer for breakfast I can do
Cigar
Now way I ll turn greener then Kermit right before I toss my cookies

I prefer a touch of baileys in my coffee instead of the traditional bagged milk
or
A big bacon Caesar

 

[Bobo]

This is some funny shit

I know! Where's my popcorn

 

[Jimmy N.]

Wow, I have repeatedly gave you the math, but it means nothing, you have said you are negative on EV and it doesn't matter facts or not, therefore, you are a hater.

Alright, you crave math. Here's some.

Let's pretend that an EV would indeed be functional here, and someone gave me one. Since it'd be a relatively inexpensive car I'm guessing it'd cost me about $40 per month to insure. For the purpose of this discussion, that will be the only cost associated with having it.

Those $40 would buy me a bit over 10 gallons of gas these days, which would be good for about 200 miles of driving (realistically more, but hey, we're playing your game here).

So, to break even with the cost of insurance I'd have to drive over 200 miles per month...which I rarely do. Yes, you read that right. While I generally put around 40 miles per month on various vehicles here around the house, an EV wouldn't quite cut it for those tasks, so I'm counting regular road going vehicles only.

Since we agree that towing is out of the question, I'll also exclude the Ram 3500. It gets driven right about 300 miles per month on average, but that's normally 600 to 1.300 miles at a time. In other words it sits a lot, even though it gets the most miles on it.

Obviously, for me to see any kind of savings from an EV, I'd have to start driving quite a bit more. And completely stop driving the vehicles I like to drive. Nah, I don't think that'd save the planet, and it definitely wouldn't be good for my well being.

You may very well be the only one on this forum that refuses to acknowledge that there is a world outside of the cities and suburbs which can be largely void of stoplights, and with few gas stations. Plus, basically completely free of charging stations. It's a world where EVs simply aren't practical, no matter how badly you'd want them to be.

 

[cole3986]

Sure is...now pass me a beer will ya...I need something to go with my breakfast cigar...

I am glad you jumped in, I think you stir the pot better than I do.

 

[cole3986]

Jimmy,

Thats a nice post, all I am saying they are great run around vehicles and extremely cheap to operate. If you only own one vehicle, no way can it be electric, IMO, for all the reasons you have stated in many posts. If one drives a boat load (20 to 30,000 + a year) like me and 95% is local it is a crackhead deal. The money I save gets dumped into the race cars (do not build a drag pak motor nothing but pain).

Charging station is not needed in a rural area, just charge at home, which means the range limit on many EV's is going to be around 150 miles, again it is a run around vehicle. The $ 7,500.00 tax credit is still applicable, however, the number of vehicles that qualify is constrained and there is an income limit. Hyundia, Porsche and other EV vehicles are appealing the domestic build requirement. A tax credit is not a handout, it means more money that you made stays in your pocket. The inflation reduction act includes building a shit load of charging stations, I don't know where.

I didn't buy them to go green or any of that nonsense, it all about saving money for me to feed the addiction which is racing. Going stupid quick in Gen 3 hemis is a stupid idea from a cost perspective (I should of just gone Gen 2 hemi) however, I normally do things the hard way.

 

[Hellcatcfp]

Jimmy,

Thats a nice post, all I am saying they are great run around vehicles and extremely cheap to operate. If you only own one vehicle, no way can it be electric, IMO, for all the reasons you have stated in many posts. If one drives a boat load (20 to 30,000 + a year) like me and 95% is local it is a crackhead deal. The money I save gets dumped into the race cars (do not build a drag pak motor nothing but pain).

Charging station is not needed in a rural area, just charge at home, which means the range limit on many EV's is going to be around 150 miles, again it is a run around vehicle. The $ 7,500.00 tax credit is still applicable, however, the number of vehicles that qualify is constrained and there is an income limit. Hyundia, Porsche and other EV vehicles are appealing the domestic build requirement. A tax credit is not a handout, it means more money that you made stays in your pocket. The inflation reduction act includes building a shit load of charging stations, I don't know where.

I didn't buy them to go green or any of that nonsense, it all about saving money for me to feed the addiction which is racing. Going stupid quick in Gen 3 hemis is a stupid idea from a cost perspective (I should of just gone Gen 2 hemi) however, I normally do things the hard way.

If saving money was the goal, you could have purchased a 2023 Nissan Sentra Sedan for around $20,000 and pocketed the $15,000+. My guess is insurance is a lot cheaper on the Nissan than on the Ioniq, etc. Take your 30,000 miles a year divided 35 mpg (combined) gets you 857.14 gallons a year times $4.00 a gallon is $3,428.57 annual fuel cost.

$15,000 extra for EV divided by $3,428.57 is 4.375 years of free power on the EV to break even.

I don't care either way, but probably wasn't the cheapest route or best deal if saving money was a high priority.

My guess is enjoying an EV was also a priority, etc. Simply arguing "savings" as the reason is problematic. We haven't even included slightly used vehicles as well to maximize total savings.

 

[1971demon]

I am glad you jumped in, I think you stir the pot better than I do.

I'd say it's pretty much a draw..

 

[cole3986]

Jimmy,

Number one priority is safety and I don't buy small cars. I have never owned anything that didn't weigh at least 4,000 pounds (with the exception of 2 muscle cars) and I have only bought three (3) new cars in my life and they were a Audi S6, Hellcat and Demon. I drove a full size pick up truck or SUV since 2003. I am an American, nothing I have ever owned got better than 18 miles per gallon (yeah a hellcat on eco mode will do 21 or so). So your analysis needs to use 15 miles per gallon to start with. I do own a 68 barracuda and bought a 1970 Dart but it was 1987 when I purchased them and I didn't give a shit about safety in 1987.

The Ioniq5 is a SUV and weighs 4,600 pounds and has a large interior AWD, a great safety rating and was on the small size for me.

Using 15 miles per gallon the gas savings is $ 8,000 per year. Now if I did the normal and bought another Ram 1500 which is my ideal daily driver the truck would of cost me 20K + more to purchase. I traded in a 2021 Ram 1500 Limited on the Inoniq.

I still prefer a Ram 1500 Limited the (air ride is like glass) as a daily driver and there is a debate whether it rode better than the 1995 S600 Mercedes (V12 car that weighs 5,500 pounds) I owned. One of the biggest gripes I have on the Inoniq5 is that I don't sit high enough, cannot see around the car in front of me (I am a truck person).

Now regarding insurance premiums, time to dispell the chicken little crap saying the insurance for a EV is thru the roof.

I have Four (4) vehicles on one insurance policy and they are two (2) Ioniq5, a 2020 Jeep Trackhawk and 2021 Ram 3500 limited Dually. The 6 month premium per vehicle are the following; $ 1,143.76 (Ioniq5) $ 571.75 (TrackHawk), $ 626.06 (Ram Dually) and $ 429.38 (Ioniq5). The coverages are identical on all four vehicles, and the difference in the premium for the Ionqi vehicles is my 17 year old son is listed as the primary driver on one. My insurances rates litterally doubled putting him on the policy. So even at the elevated rates, the Ioniq5 is the cheapest to insure probably because it is the cheapest to buy. I am shopping this policy but having a 17 son on the policy in NJ is a killer. Why do you have to assign every driver to a vehicle when there are more vehicles than drivers? The rates were run assigning him to different vehicles, the lowest rate was on a Ioniq. I may get him is own insurance policy when he turns 18, got to do some math on that.

 

[Jimmy N.]

Number one priority is safety and I don't buy small cars. I have never owned anything that didn't weigh at least 4,000 pounds (with the exception of 2 muscle cars) and I have only bought three (3) new cars in my life and they were a Audi S6, Hellcat and Demon. I drove a full size pick up truck or SUV since 2003. I am an American, nothing I have ever owned got better than 18 miles per gallon (yeah a hellcat on eco mode will do 21 or so).

I beg to differ when it comes to safety and small cars. Having driven plenty of them, including the original Fiat 500s and various small sports cars, my safety depended on my ability to drive. Their much lower weight allowed maneuvers that just aren't possible with heavy vehicles.

Sure, if getting T-boned or falling asleep at the wheel it's much better to be in something with more mass, but I wouldn't call small cars unsafe. Instead I'd say that unsafe drivers are worse in larger cars, able to create more damage.

And for your mileage experiences, once again it probably comes down to the surroundings. I generally get about 22 mpg in my 'Cat, and that's passing very aggressively (it sounds so good and is fun), and when the road is straight enough, cruise at 100 or so. Well, 80 - 120 depending on the road, but it (and I) like 100.

Driving a bit more conservatively (but not by a lot) my girlfriend consistently gets a bit over 24 in her Redeye. Heck, I've seen mid 17s on the Lie-O-Meter in her Ram 3500 CC longbed with a 6.4 when she hasn't been towing. My '21 Challenger GT AWD always got a bit over 30 mpg, but those don't really like doing over 100 mph it seems.

Basically, these same roads that rule out EV use tend to allow for good gas mileage.Largely because there's rarely a need to stop.

Insurance? Another plus for not being in some city atmosphere, I guess. At $544 per month it's not an unnoticeable amount by any means, but that's for full coverage on the '23 Challenger GT AWD, '17 3500 DRW C&C, '18 'Cat, and '21 TRX. There's also a Jeep JK that doesn't have full coverage, and the Durango isn't on there yet, but it does include a '20 Sundowner toy hauler, homeowners, and an umbrella policy.

Bottom line, it looks like I save enough money by living here in relative freedom to not need to use an EV for savings

 

[Hellcatcfp]

Jimmy,

Number one priority is safety and I don't buy small cars. I have never owned anything that didn't weigh at least 4,000 pounds (with the exception of 2 muscle cars) and I have only bought three (3) new cars in my life and they were a Audi S6, Hellcat and Demon. I drove a full size pick up truck or SUV since 2003. I am an American, nothing I have ever owned got better than 18 miles per gallon (yeah a hellcat on eco mode will do 21 or so). So your analysis needs to use 15 miles per gallon to start with. I do own a 68 barracuda and bought a 1970 Dart but it was 1987 when I purchased them and I didn't give a shit about safety in 1987.

The Ioniq5 is a SUV and weighs 4,600 pounds and has a large interior AWD, a great safety rating and was on the small size for me.

Using 15 miles per gallon the gas savings is $ 8,000 per year. Now if I did the normal and bought another Ram 1500 which is my ideal daily driver the truck would of cost me 20K + more to purchase. I traded in a 2021 Ram 1500 Limited on the Inoniq.

I still prefer a Ram 1500 Limited the (air ride is like glass) as a daily driver and there is a debate whether it rode better than the 1995 S600 Mercedes (V12 car that weighs 5,500 pounds) I owned. One of the biggest gripes I have on the Inoniq5 is that I don't sit high enough, cannot see around the car in front of me (I am a truck person).

Now regarding insurance premiums, time to dispell the chicken little crap saying the insurance for a EV is thru the roof.

I have Four (4) vehicles on one insurance policy and they are two (2) Ioniq5, a 2020 Jeep Trackhawk and 2021 Ram 3500 limited Dually. The 6 month premium per vehicle are the following; $ 1,143.76 (Ioniq5) $ 571.75 (TrackHawk), $ 626.06 (Ram Dually) and $ 429.38 (Ioniq5). The coverages are identical on all four vehicles, and the difference in the premium for the Ionqi vehicles is my 17 year old son is listed as the primary driver on one. My insurances rates litterally doubled putting him on the policy. So even at the elevated rates, the Ioniq5 is the cheapest to insure probably because it is the cheapest to buy. I am shopping this policy but having a 17 son on the policy in NJ is a killer. Why do you have to assign every driver to a vehicle when there are more vehicles than drivers? The rates were run assigning him to different vehicles, the lowest rate was on a Ioniq. I may get him is own insurance policy when he turns 18, got to do some math on that.

Savings and safety 😅🤣😂😅😅🤣🤣😂. Ask folks at your local Fire Department what they think.

Glad you are enjoying your EV and getting rich from all those savings.

 

[cole3986]

Savings and safety 😅🤣😂😅😅🤣🤣😂. Ask folks at your local Fire Department what they think.

Glad you are enjoying your EV and getting rich from all those savings.

LOL, not getting rich, just saving a lot of money. I work every day with a local Fire Marshal, please tell me something about EV and fires that I don't know. Are you in the know or just repeating something that you read?