EV Sales Are Just Getting Started?

[Boris]

Did anyone read some of the peoples comments? OMG, brain dead and they say we regurgitate media talking points?!

EVs GOOD...OIL BAD, BAD, BAD!!!!!!!!

Getting to work..GOOD

 

[2ndAmend]

Old story, but some may have missed it.

Back in the day I lived in the CHIburbs. One morning I looked at the thermometer, it said -27!!! I had to go back and look a second time, I didn't realize the thermometer went down that far! (Edit: Chill map shoes -25 right now!)

My wife's car would not turn over. I went to the big auto parts store and the entire battery rack, about the size of a van, was empty.

Have to wonder how many of these owners will lease another EV when the term is up!

 

[BULL]

Must have missed it. What year, I still may have the issues.

80s, 84 is my best guess

 

[cole3986]

The range of my electric cars decrease about 20/25% in the cold weather (below freezing). Some say that it is less than 10%, however, that is not been my experience. That is about 15% greater reduction in range than gas car with the winter blend (ethanol added to the gas). Not great but it does not impact my driving. I wouldn't own them if I lived in Maine.

 

[HWDan]

Get used to it, everyone knows that EV sales are about to explode!





Yeah, that's a charging EV suffering from a thermal runaway.

 

[Bobo]

Get used to it, everyone knows that EV sales are about to explode!



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Yeah, that's a charging EV suffering from a thermal runaway.

I just watched the whole video today explaining the exploding Chinese EVs

 

[2ndAmend]

Headline today!!!!

Why Cold Weather Kills a Tesla – and Every Other EV on the Market

Duh!!! Poor ignorant idiots that bought an EV and didn't know. Like PT said...

(BTW: I did not bother reading the article, didn't see the purpose.)

 

[cole3986]

Headline today!!!!

Why Cold Weather Kills a Tesla – and Every Other EV on the Market

Duh!!! Poor ignorant idiots that bought an EV and didn't know. Like PT said...

(BTW: I did not bother reading the article, didn't see the purpose.)

Just not true, I have 2 Ev's and as I have said before the decrease in range is between 20 and 25% in cold weather (below freezing). Even with the reduced range, it costs me less than $ 3.50 in electricity (35 KW) to drive 100 miles. Lets keep it real

 

[MJS73]

Just not true, I have 2 Ev's and as I have said before the decrease in range is between 20 and 25% in cold weather (below freezing). Even with the reduced range, it costs me less than $ 3.50 in electricity (35 KW) to drive 100 miles. Lets keep it real

If you're using 35kW for 8 hours to charge your car, the cost per 100 miles is more than $3.50.

 

[cole3986]

If you're using 35kW for 8 hours to charge your car, the cost per 100 miles is more than $3.50.

When I charge at home (electrify america is free for the first 2 years of ownership), I pay less than 9 cents per KW, $ .09 x 35 = $ 3.15. I try not to charge at home but the EA charging station has a few chargers broken (right now) and it is becoming a shit show in cars waiting to charge.

The level 2 charger I use at home charges at 9.55 KW/hour (it is rated at 9.6KW but there is loss in conversion), so takes 3.66 hours to charge (35 KW/9.55).

As it has been pointed out to me more than once here, having a rational discussion regarding EV cars is extremely challenging. It is currently stupid cheap to use a EV for running around and the retort to that is that it will much more expensive in the future. My response to that is I don't care, right now I am saving an incredible amount of money that if the resale value is poor, the cars paid for themselves in maintenance, saving in gasoline and the federal tax credit of $ 7,500.00 per vehicle.

 

[DavidKFla]

When I charge at home (electrify america is free for the first 2 years of ownership), I pay less than 9 cents per KW, $ .09 x 35 = $ 3.15. I try not to charge at home but the EA charging station has a few chargers broken (right now) and it is becoming a shit show in cars waiting to charge.

The level 2 charger I use at home charges at 9.55 KW/hour (it is rated at 9.6KW but there is loss in conversion), so takes 3.66 hours to charge (35 KW/9.55).

As it has been pointed out to me more than once here, having a rational discussion regarding EV cars is extremely challenging. It is currently stupid cheap to use a EV for running around and the retort to that is that it will much more expensive in the future. My response to that is I don't care, right now I am saving an incredible amount of money that if the resale value is poor, the cars paid for themselves in maintenance, saving in gasoline and the federal tax credit of $ 7,500.00 per vehicle.

Personally I think that it depends on what you want to use the vehicle for. If you're only going to run it locally and nowhere else it could work for some. Me I prefer a small gas engine for the convenience and reliability.

We have a hybrid which generates its own electricity. It is focused on adding power and some economy at low speeds. When I kick it in sport mode it blows about 18 lbs of boost from its twin turbos and the electric motor kicks in. It has nice power for a pickup and is supposed to be faster than a V6 Raptor.

I want nothing that has to depend on the electrical grid. If we need to evacuate for some reason, we could easily be in serious trouble.

 

[cole3986]

Personally I think that it depends on what you want to use the vehicle for. If you're only going to run it locally and nowhere else it could work for some. Me I prefer a small gas engine for the convenience and reliability.

We have a hybrid which generates its own electricity. It is focused on adding power and some economy at low speeds. When I kick it in sport mode it blows about 18 lbs of boost and the electric motor kicks in. Very nice with nice power for a pickup.

We drive the EVs for any destination within 110 miles of home, that way a round trip can be made without charging. That covers 95% of our driving.

I am not sure how an ICE vehicle is more reliable, there is no transmission in our EV's, it is a very simple drive train; two (2) electric motors that are directly coupled to the half shafts that drive the wheels (awd). The EV drive train has a lot less moving parts than a ICE and no maintenance other than tire rotation (I don't do). The non-conductive fluid that cools the motors does have to be changed at 40,000 miles, which is a little unique with EVs.

The non-conductive fluid is used to prevent thermal runaway, if the battery is damaged.

I have to buy a vehicle for my son and I am having a very hard time not getting another EV, once you drive them its hard to go back to an ICE particulary one that gets good gas mileage. I drove a 2023 camry, it was a slug, acceleration is so poor, I cannot buy it. The Ioniq5 handle better than any ICE that I have owned and that includes a V12 S600 mercedes. That is how good the handling is

 

[DavidKFla]

We drive the EVs for any destination within 110 miles of home, that way a round trip can be made without charging. That covers 95% of our driving.

I am not sure how an ICE vehicle is more reliable, there is no transmission in our EV's, it is a very simple drive train; two (2) electric motors that are directly coupled to the half shafts that drive the wheels (awd). The EV drive train has a lot less moving parts than a ICE and no maintenance other than tire rotation (I don't do). The non-conductive fluid that cools the motors does have to be changed at 40,000 miles, which is a little unique with EVs.

The non-conductive fluid is used to prevent thermal runaway, if the battery is damaged.

I have to buy a vehicle for my son and I am having a very hard time not getting another EV, once you drive them its hard to go back to an ICE particulary one that gets good gas mileage. I drove a 2023 camry, it was a slug, acceleration is so poor, I cannot buy it. The Ioniq5 handle better than any ICE that I have owned and that includes a V12 S600 mercedes. That is how good the handling is

Our lifestyle dictates that we require a vehicle that will travel 500-600 miles at a clip. End of story for me.

Enjoy your Hyundai.

 

[cole3986]

Our lifestyle dictates that we require a vehicle that will travel 500-600 miles at a clip. End of story for me.

Enjoy your Hyundai.

Got it, we have a ram 3500 dually that is used for towing the race car and for taking long trips, it has a 50 gallon tank with a range of over 750 miles (without towing). You many want to look into a Lucid Grand Touring Air (EV) with a range of 516 miles. I am hoping the price drops and that the company does not go bankrupt as I want to pull the trigger on it. The car comes with free charging for 3 years (unlimited) from EA.

FYI- the charging standard (CCS) is being phased out by all manufacturers and the Tesla charge port will be used and the Tesla charging network is being opened up to all vehicles. Taking trips hopefully improves.

 

[DavidKFla]

Got it, we have a ram 3500 dually that is used for towing the race car and for taking long trips, it has a 50 gallon tank with a range of over 750 miles (without towing). You many want to look into a Lucid Grand Touring Air (EV) with a range of 516 miles. I am hoping the price drops and that the company does not go bankrupt as I want to pull the trigger on it. The car comes with free charging for 3 years (unlimited) from EA.

FYI- the charging standard (CCS) is being phased out by all manufacturers and the Tesla charge port will be used and the Tesla charging network is being opened up to all vehicles. Taking trips hopefully improves.

I watched a video where they drag raced it and it's very fast.
The closest dealership is over 200 miles away. The wait time for them to show up at your house can be long.
I'm simplifying my life, not complicating it.

 

[cole3986]

I watched a video where they drag raced it and it's very fast.
The closest dealership is over 200 miles away. The wait time for them to show up at your house can be long.
I'm simplifying my life, not complicating it.

The Lucid Sapphire has over 1,200 HP and goes on the street 8.95 in the quarter mile, it has a range of 420 miles and has a price of 250K. It appears to be the quickest car every made. The Grand Touring is 870 HP, costs 117K does not have a long wait time, some are available for immediate purchase. The price keeps dropping on the Grand Touring and I am hoping it continues to drop but I am running out of time, I have to pull the trigger in the next couple of weeks (unless I want to drive the dually or the trackhawk as a daily driver). Hmmmmm

We live in crazy times and there is a lot of bad shit happening, however, there are some bright spots. The Ev's are the wildwest, new and crazy stuff coming to market all the time. I am pivoting, no choice

 

[MJS73]

When I charge at home (electrify america is free for the first 2 years of ownership), I pay less than 9 cents per KW, $ .09 x 35 = $ 3.15. I try not to charge at home but the EA charging station has a few chargers broken (right now) and it is becoming a shit show in cars waiting to charge.

The level 2 charger I use at home charges at 9.55 KW/hour (it is rated at 9.6KW but there is loss in conversion), so takes 3.66 hours to charge (35 KW/9.55).

As it has been pointed out to me more than once here, having a rational discussion regarding EV cars is extremely challenging. It is currently stupid cheap to use a EV for running around and the retort to that is that it will much more expensive in the future. My response to that is I don't care, right now I am saving an incredible amount of money that if the resale value is poor, the cars paid for themselves in maintenance, saving in gasoline and the federal tax credit of $ 7,500.00 per vehicle.

You’re quoting rates based on kW but the electric utilities charge per kWh (Hour). The average kWh in the US is about $0.14/kWh. If you do the calculations correctly you'll probably find the cost to charge is closer to $12-14 (or possibly more, depending on the car you have). Having a rational discussion regarding anything is only possible when you have all the facts. And since that federal tax credit of $ 7,500.00 came from us, you're going to want to be nicer to us.

 

[cole3986]

You’re quoting rates based on kW but the electric utilities charge per kWh (Hour). The average kWh in the US is about $0.14/kWh. If you do the calculations correctly you'll probably find the cost to charge is closer to $12-14 (or possibly more, depending on the car you have). Having a rational discussion regarding anything is only possible when you have all the facts. And since that federal tax credit of $ 7,500.00 came from us, you're going to want to be nicer to us.

My utility company, PSE&G currently has a residential rate of 19 cents per KWH. However, we get credited 10.5 cents per KWH for charging off peak (after 9:00 PM and before 7:00 AM Monday thru Friday and anytime on Saturday and Sunday). Therefore, the charge rate is actually 8.5 cents per KWH.

You are mistaken on the Federal Tax credit, the amount of taxes we had to pay was reduced by $ 7,500.00 per vehicle. We did not receive a check from the Federal Government, we paid less federal tax. It effectively lowered our tax rate.

The numbers are so compelling to use a EV for local driving, it is not something you want to debate, IMO

 

[MJS73]

My utility company, PSE&G currently has a residential rate of 19 cents per KWH. However, we get credited 10.5 cents per KWH for charging off peak (after 9:00 PM and before 7:00 AM Monday thru Friday and anytime on Saturday and Sunday). Therefore, the charge rate is actually 8.5 cents per KWH.

You are mistaken on the Federal Tax credit, the amount of taxes we had to pay was reduced by $ 7,500.00 per vehicle. We did not receive a check from the Federal Government, we paid less federal tax. It effectively lowered our tax rate.

The numbers are so compelling to use a EV for local driving, it is not something you want to debate, IMO

So that $7,500 came from nowhere? Actually, the numbers are only compelling when you factor in the taxpayer-subsidized rebates, tax credits and the like. For example, you stated a 10½¢ per kWh rate reduction and a tax credit of $7,500.00. Those are not insignificant numbers and they have to be factored into any equation for a fair comparison. Take away those taxpayer-supplied gifts and it's a vastly different comparison. There have been enough analyses done to show that, without the taxpayer-supplied gifts, EV ownership is slightly more expensive than a gasoline-powered car. IMO. there are enough manipulations of the numbers that it is something I want to debate. But I appreciate the warning and suggest that your using manipulated numbers in order to prove your case may explain why you're not able to have a rational discussion regarding EV cars. You should also know that I am neither a proponent or opponent of EV cars, I only look for truth and common sense. And there has been far too much exaggeration, manipulation, speculation and stretching of the truth for me to take EV cars seriously. It's been said that, in order to replace an existing product, the new product has to be 10X better than the existing product. I don't see EVs being even equally as good as the existing product on a level playing field.

 

[cole3986]

So that $7,500 came from nowhere? Actually, the numbers are only compelling when you factor in the taxpayer-subsidized rebates, tax credits and the like. For example, you stated a 10½¢ per kWh rate reduction and a tax credit of $7,500.00. Those are not insignificant numbers and they have to be factored into any equation for a fair comparison. Take away those taxpayer-supplied gifts and it's a vastly different comparison. There have been enough analyses done to show that, without the taxpayer-supplied gifts, EV ownership is slightly more expensive than a gasoline-powered car. IMO. there are enough manipulations of the numbers that it is something I want to debate. But I appreciate the warning and suggest that your using manipulated numbers in order to prove your case may explain why you're not able to have a rational discussion regarding EV cars. You should also know that I am neither a proponent or opponent of EV cars, I only look for truth and common sense. And there has been far too much exaggeration, manipulation, speculation and stretching of the truth for me to take EV cars seriously. It's been said that, in order to replace an existing product, the new product has to be 10X better than the existing product. I don't see EVs being even equally as good as the existing product on a level playing field.

We paid $ 15,000 less in Federal taxes due to the tax credit ($ 7,500.00 per vehicle). Say our federal taxes were $ 40K, the tax credit lowered them to 25K (40K - 15K). We paid less in Federal Tax because of the tax credits. There was NO Federal handout. And no, your tax rate cannot go negative thru tax credits so the IRS owes money. For example, if our Federal taxes were less than 15K, we would not owe Federal taxes and would not receive a check form the IRS for the difference.

If the analysis was done using 19 cents per KW, 35 KW x 0.19 = $ 6.65 per 100 miles of driving or about 2 gallons of regular unleaded.

How many gasoline vehicles get 50 miles per gallon? Not many but there are some hybrids over 50 mpg.

No smoke and mirrors here, I have driven EV's for over 51,000 miles combined. No maintenance, free charging thru EA, cheap charging at home, these are the facts. This isn't a motor trend article or some nonsense reported on mainstream media but what I have experienced owning three (3) 2022 Ioniq5 (currently own 2). The Ev's keep getting cheaper to purchase, for example Hyundia is currently offering $ 7,500 rebate on both the Ioniq5 & 6 and has conquest rebate of $ 2,500.00. A Jeep qualifies as conquest vehicle so I can obtain 10K off the MSRP from the manufacturer which is around 20% and Tesla keep lowering the price. This is the current reality, no bullshit, just the facts