Stock Fuel Rails, why they don’t keep up

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Timing alignment

 

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Add new Demon/RE spec roller lifters, the latest version supposedly has cryo treated rollers and needle bearings.

 

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Start thinking about sizing rings. Here’s the new WISECO custom piston mated with a Trend H13 .250 wall DLC pin to a Manley H-Tuff 4130 rod compared to a stock piston and rod combo.

 

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Add Torque Plate, THANKS @Hpindy so rings can be sized in bores just as they where when torque plate plateau honed to 4.0925 bore. Made a custom ring squaring tool so with tq plate installed the rings can be perfectly squared in the bores 1”down from the deck as Total Seal wants for them to be sized to .028” gap on both top and second rings.

 

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Modify ring filter to accept a drill

 

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Been a long day, time for block to get some rest and hopefully start sizing rings in the morning. There’s 5 per cylinder (top, second, oil ring top and bottom, oil ring groove support ring) to do, 40 total so this process is going to take a while.



Stay tuned for part 2 LOL!!

 

[Hpindy]

Add Torque Plate, THANKS @Hpindy so rings can be sized in bores just as they where when torque plate plateau honed to 4.0925 bore. Made a custom ring squaring tool so with tq plate installed the rings can be perfectly squared in the bores 1”down from the deck as Total Seal wants for them to be sized to .028” gap on both top and second rings. View attachment 45562 View attachment 45563 View attachment 45564 View attachment 45565

If you going to do it ...... Go it right and give it 110%! We have had many many discussions over the winter on our builds .

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[16GoManGoHC2]

The song that was playing on the radio triggered a copy right snafu wtf???

 

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First thing to do, make this cheapo ring filer easier to use!! This makes hands free control GREAT and controllable!! Tested on a old ring first, works GREAT!!

 

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SWEET!! .028” first shot!! Now if only the rest go this easy!!! 🤞🙏
Grind only one side and Be sure to stone burrs off the filed end

 

[Mean Cat]

It's coming together nicely !

Excellent work !

 

[Hickster]

Buy that by the ounce.

 

[Speedy!]

Nice all the way around! I'm curious what tune changes for cam timing will look like with that OST cam.

Ummm, get some salve on that thumb mate LOL

 

[Mean Cat]

Nice all the way around! I'm curious what tune changes for cam timing will look like with that OST cam.

Ummm, get some salve on that thumb mate LOL

Those are machinist hands, hard at work.

 

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Ok, all the rings are gapped, target was .026” on top and second ring, .018” on the oil rings. I pushed the top ring down to mid cylinder and bottom cylinder and was elated to find gap didn’t change on most and the ones that did was less then a .001” on gap which means less then .0003” on bore which is just what dozens of measurements with a bore gauge told me it was. Torque Plate honing is worth the pain.

 

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Here’s the numbers, the foot pedal variable speed control of the cheapo ring filer made it work like a pro model!! [

 

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Ummm, get some salve on that thumb mate LOL

I need to get my wife making potions like yours does but my shops off limits to her LOL, she’d break something, throw something away, or find something she shouldn’t 😂

Those are machinist hands, hard at work.

Um, yea, that brake clean is tough on hands and eats through about every kind of gloves I’ve tried except super thick ones one can’t work in LOL.

 

[vortecd]

Ok, all the rings are gapped, target was .026” on top and second ring, .018” on the oil rings. I pushed the top ring down to mid cylinder and bottom cylinder and was elated to find gap didn’t change on most and the ones that did was less then a .001” on gap which means less then .0003” on bore which is just what dozens of measurements with a bore gauge told me it was. Torque Plate honing is worth the pain. View attachment 45740 View attachment 45741 View attachment 45742 View attachment 45743 View attachment 45744 View attachment 45745 View attachment 45746 View attachment 45747 View attachment 45748 View attachment 45749

Why not use gapless rings? I don't stay up with all the latest stuff on engine building but that was something I did 20 years ago on my blower build

 

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Why not use gapless rings? I don't stay up with all the latest stuff on engine building but that was something I did 20 years ago on my blower build

I thought about using them, actually was going to but Keith at Total Seal didn’t recommend them for my application, (yea, I couldn’t believe that?? Even called 3-4 times over the months and got the same recommendation from him- use gas ported rings) he recommended Gas Ported Rings over them for some reason which mainly was about wanting some ring lubrication from tiny vacuum a gap provides to pull oil to in between the rings. He also mentioned Something about the volume of the area below the pistons and crank is very small in these engines. Ring lubrication is why in the hone spec the Rvk value was high at around 50 to trap oil in the valley’s left by those deep “scratches” per say. After talking to about 2 dozen pro’s about the pro’s and con’s of each ring kind I just went with tried and true everybody agreed can’t go wrong with a high quality Total Seal AP normal ring set. It wasn’t about gapping them, You still have to gap gapless rings, in fact there’s 2 per ring you have to gap!!

 

[Speedy!]

So .026 on new rings what were the stock gap? .022?